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[Ben (Rays GM)]

Okay, so I was going to take Kevin's post and turn it into a debate for all of the awards, but then the debate about AL MVP got good enough that diluting it with the other awards seemed like a waste. So, I'm starting a new thread for the other awards. If you want to debate AL MVP, do it in Kevin's thread, not here. Here's a place to post who you think should win each award, but if the debate about a specific award gets hot enough we can move it to another thread.

[Brian (Blue Jays GM)]

NL CY Young: Dickey, Gio, Kershaw, or ESPN's favorite... Craig Kimbrel?

[Oren (Diamondbacks GM)]

NL cyyoung kershaw or dickey
Al cy price or verly
NL Roy willin Rosario

thoughts???

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NL CY: this is the toughest one to determine, IMO. I wouldn't give it to Kimbrel (or Chapman, for that matter) just due to the 'lack of innings' issue. My order would be:

1. Kershaw
2. Dickey
3. Gio

But if someone were to discombobulate that order entirely for their own reasons, I wouldn't argue it.

[Brian (Blue Jays GM)]

I vote Dickey for NL CY Young but I'm totally biased as a mets fan who's watched nearly all of his starts this season

AL Cy should be Verlander again, the guy is a workhorse and his ability to maintain his dominance late into games is rivaled by no other pitcher in the game today

NL Roy I go with Wade Miley

[Oren (Diamondbacks GM)]

ithink it's dead locked with kersh and dickey... dickey wins in wins an strikeouts but kersh wins era and whip... whip and strikeouts are close tho

[Ben (Rays GM)]

AL MVP: Mike Trout
AL CY: Justin Verlander
AL ROY: Mike Trout
AL Manager: Buck Showalter
AL Aaron: Miguel Cabrera
AL Reliever: Fernando Rodney
AL Comeback: Edwin Encarnacion

NL MVP: Buster Posey
NL CY: R.A. Dickey
NL ROY: Bryce Harper
NL Manager: Davey Johnson
NL Aaron: Ryan Braun
NL Reliever: Craig Kimbrel
NL Comeback: David Wright

[Kevin (Guardians GM)]

I give Dicky the nod as for the fact that he had that many wins on a losing team says a lot. Plus all those damn ks'. If anybody had mentioned him before the season as a cy young canidate, they would have been laughed at.

[Oren (Diamondbacks GM)]

Kevin kershaw had one less strikeout and a higher strikeout per nine than dickey

[Ben (Rays GM)]

Thoughts on comeback player awards? I'm picking Wright and Encarnacion but I dunno if Wright really fits their criteria - could be Adam LaRoche.

[Kevin (Guardians GM)]

Oren - think you missed my point. Dickey had 130 ks last year in 200+ innings. No one could have seen him having this many ks this year. Kershaw is expected to.

[Rob (Rockies GM)]

AL MVP: Mike Trout (though I hope Miggy wins it)
AL CY: David Price (though I hope Verlander wins it)
AL ROY: Mike Trout
AL Manager: Buck Showalter
AL Aaron: Miguel Cabrera
AL Reliever: Fernando Rodney
AL Comeback: Edwin Encarnacion

NL MVP: Buster Posey
NL CY: Clayton Kershaw (too close to call, any of Gio/Dickey)
NL ROY: Wade Miley
NL Manager: Davey Johnson
NL Aaron: Ryan Braun
NL Reliever: Craig Kimbrel
NL Comeback: Adam Laroche

[Tucker (Padres GM)]

AL MVP: Mike Trout
AL CY: Justin Verlander
AL ROY: Mike Trout (There are a ton of impressive guys after him though)
AL Manager: Bob Melvin
AL Comeback: Edwin Encarnacion

NL MVP: Buster Posey
NL CY: Dickey
NL ROY: Bryce Harper
NL Manager: Davey Johnson
NL Comeback: Buster Posey (I think people forget this is his first year back from a serious serious injury, not sure if he'd actually win it though)

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Oct 5, 2012 20:26:09 GMT -5 Tucker (Padres GM) said:

AL MVP: Mike Trout
AL CY: Justin Verlander
AL ROY: Mike Trout (There are a ton of impressive guys after him though)
AL Manager: Bob Melvin
AL Comeback: Edwin Encarnacion

NL MVP: Buster Posey
NL CY: Dickey
NL ROY: Bryce Harper
NL Manager: Davey Johnson
NL Comeback: Buster Posey (I think people forget this is his first year back from a serious serious injury, not sure if he'd actually win it though)

This but I'd change NL Comeback to LaRoche and AL Manager to Ventura.

[Ben (Rays GM)]

Oct 5, 2012 23:54:20 GMT -5 @sjkqw said:

This but I'd change NL Comeback to LaRoche and AL Manager to Ventura.

I find manager of the year to be one of the toughest awards to judge - hard to say how much influence a manager has on a team's performance. Generally speaking, however, I like to give this award to a manager whose team exceeded expectations. I use two criteria to make my decisions in this award:

1) Does the team outperform expectations?
This is definitely the most important factor. In the AL, this narrows it down to Melvin, Ventura, and Showalter.

2) Did the team outperform its expected (pythag) win-loss record?
Pythagorean Record takes into account runs scored and runs allowed and calculates many games a team should win given those numbers. I figure if a team performs significantly better than its pythag, it's probably because they won a bunch of close games. Winning close games could be about luck, but it also could be about a manager making smart decisions, like saving his best relievers and players for winnable games, manufacturing the one run you need, etc. The White Sox finished 3 wins behind their pythag. The A's finished with 2 wins more than their pythag. The Orioles finished with 11 games more than their pythag (the second best differential was +7 for the Reds). They scored 712 runs and allowed 705. They allowed nearly as many runs as they scored, suggesting a record around .500 (82-80 to be exact), yet they made the playoffs. Whether that's because of Showalter or not, this team truly exceeded expectations in every way, so in my book Showalter deserves to be manager of the year.